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Tomas 24 Jul 05

Jesus, you guys are ahead of the game everytime. There are so many simple apps needed for tiny businesses, but the cost implications aren’t worth at the moment.

We need tiny developers developing custom apps for tiny businesses, with a tiny timeframe and resulting in a tiny (but worth it) price.

Randy J. Hunt 24 Jul 05

Amen. You speak my language.

JeroenR 24 Jul 05

Very, true. I’d like to add that people will pay for this software, as long as it is priced right for small “side” businesses. Backpack is a great example. Not only is it a great product, but it is also priced sensibly.

Michael 24 Jul 05

Unfortunately most companies do not use those tools that side-business use. I would like to use Basecamp in at my client, but they use only Microsoft products and therefore Project. But it does not really help. Is the reason that side-business do care more about productivity or time?

JF 24 Jul 05

Is the reason that side-business do care more about productivity or time?

Part of it is this, yes. They have less time so they attach more value to their time and they appreciate products and companies that understand this.

David G 24 Jul 05

Rails (and other agile development frameworks, I would assume) are really enabling a whole new class of applications that just weren’t economically feasible earlier.

For example, without previous web development experience, I’ve cobbled together a nice web-based personal information organizer that suits my needs just fine, in a few weekends.

I really hope that video game development gets a similarly productive framework soon, as after playing with rails for a bit, video game development is too inefficient to be much fun. And I doubt that my own attempts at an agile video game development framwork will turn out half as well as rails.

Dhrumil 24 Jul 05

I’m lovin it.

Here is a great example that became popular just this past week:

http://getvanilla.com/

Jennie Robinson 24 Jul 05

Forget the enterprise market. Forget the mid-sized company market. Build for the true small businesses — the side-businesses — and you’ll be on your way.

What do you mean, exactly? That I’ll be on my way to fame and fortune because there are *so many* side businesses? That selling small apps in high volume is more lucrative than enterprise suites in a few million-dollar deals a year?

I think it’s great that smaller-than-small businesses are being catered to more these days, but what does that really mean to the — ahem — small businesses designing and developing these apps? How do you best market to this audience? What can they afford? How do you hone in on what people really need and will invest $5 or $500 in?

Anonymous Coward 24 Jul 05

Vanilla sure looks like a 37signals-design rip off.

JF 24 Jul 05

That selling small apps in high volume is more lucrative than enterprise suites in a few million-dollar deals a year?

I believe so, yes. Further, you are better diversified with thousands of customers than 10 customers. And when you only have a few customers they’ll end up pulling your product in directions you don’t want it go or they’ll leave (and they’ll probably pull it AND leave).

Will 24 Jul 05

I like everything Jason said except the trend for these new online apps to be hosted on a central server. I don’t like using Basecamp because it’s external and beyond my control. I’m not going to like the upcoming Blinksale for the same reason (I think).

I want an app to be something I buy, not something I subscribe to. A subscription denotes a service, not an app.

Will 24 Jul 05

But obviously that’s just me.
I think the viability of the model has been proven already. I know I’m probably in the minority on this…

Anonymous Coward 24 Jul 05

Who cares about the Fortune 500? Companies with 50 people aren’t “real” small business? I’m all for very small (1-5 person) companies (and would even like to start one myself), but you lose credibility with statements like these. Your thoughts about the needs of side-businesses are interesting, but you provide no evidence to support them. Is this post meant to provide insight or a pep talk?

Dylan Schiemann 24 Jul 05

You complain that “the ‘long tail’ is a buzzword”, and yet right on the side, you rave about Ruby on Rails “fueling the Web 2.0 revolution.” Last I checked, Web 2.0 was also a buzzword. So basically what you are saying is that it is ok for you to selectively use buzzwords when you feel like it? Your entire essay is talking about what is hyped as the long tail, at least as much as I understand it. Of course, I’ve been equally annoyed with the buzzword that’s been used this year to describe the communication mechanism of JavaScript web apps, so I can understand your annoyance, in spite of your apparent hypocrisy.

Chris Mcgrath 24 Jul 05

That sums up exactly what I’ve been thinking for the past while. Rails really reduces the barrier to entry for these types of applications.

Clay Shirky’s Situated Software essay has examples of this nature.

http://www.shirky.com/writings/situated_software.html

half empty 24 Jul 05

As someone who has built an ASP for a medical niche market (independent optometrists), I’ve seen the need for tools for 1-5 person shops. After my experience, I’m not convinced this is a good market for me, the independent software developer to be involved in. Here are some thoughts:

- if you charge $50/month for an app, you have to get 200 users to pay your bills and pay yourself. In order to get modestly rich you need 2000 users. Are there even 2000 users in your niche? Are you financially prepared to wait around for 2000 people to sign up? Are you financially prepared to wait around for 200 people to sign up? It doesn’t happen overnight… or even in the next 6 months.

- are you prepared to deal with the support issues involved with 1000 cheapskate optometrists? If your app is more generalized, are you prepared to deal with the support issues involved with 100,000 cheapskate micro business owners?

- going along with the above comments, “mission critical” for microbusiness is a BAD idea for the small dev team. you (or at least, I) don’t want to deal with the stress and support issues that come along with bugs in your microbusiness accounting software.

- you might be better off trying to create the next MySpace or PayPal. If you are thinking of creating a web app for 1 million small business owners, why not instead focus on creating a web app for 1 billion average joe users - then selling it off to google. Matt Drudge makes a million dollars a year with banner ads on his blog. The College Humor guys make half a million per month selling t-shirts. Both are easier than managing accounting information for every flower shop in the country.

That said, I’m not sure who is going to build software suited to micro micro businesses. A 1-5 person shop doesn’t need a payroll system. I’m not sure what they need that doesn’t come pre-installed on a powerbook. do they actually need anything other than excel and quickbooks?

If you are dealing with business, as a micro development shop, you are better off finding rich clients for whom your $10K/seat software is a rounding error in their books.

If you want to deal with volume users, you are better off sticking to entertainment and advertising sales.

These are just some off the top of my head comments based on previous experience. I’m sure if you figure out a general tool that is usable by micro businesses (yahoo! store comes to mind) you will become rich. But you could become as rich or richer without dealing with micro business at all.

JF 24 Jul 05

So basically what you are saying is that it is ok for you to selectively use buzzwords when you feel like it

We’re all free to use whatever we want whenever we want. I’m not decrying all buzzwords, just saying “The Long Tail” is a buzzword.

David 24 Jul 05

But to say “The Long Tail” is a buzzword, and then explain what the long tail is about…?

JF 24 Jul 05

Your thoughts about the needs of side-businesses are interesting, but you provide no evidence to support them

Our products are among the examples. Sure, they’re used by many large companies as well, but the bulk of our customers are small 1-5 person shops, freelancers, small groups, and side/micro business owners.

Is this post meant to provide insight or a pep talk?

It’s an opinion piece. It’s what you make it.

If you are dealing with business, as a micro development shop, you are better off finding rich clients for whom your $10K/seat software is a rounding error in their books

Depends what kind of companies you want to deal with and what kind of products you want to build. We’d rather help the little guy who needs real value out of a product than a company that can take us or leave us because we’re a rounding error.

It also depends on how you want to build your business — on the shoulders of a few giants that can toss you aside when the better pitch comes, or on the shoulders of thousands and thousands of small business owners who love your products and have a vested interest in seeing you succeed so they succeed. I’ll take the strength and stability of thousands over 10 or 20 fickle big guys who’s phone is ringing with new pitches every day.

But hey, that’s just my opinion!

half empty 24 Jul 05

Just because a company is large does not mean that the people working at the company and using your software are no longer human. The same rules of building humane software apply at each level. My company now focuses on larger EMR systems and the nurses and doctors who use my application are very happy.

In the same vein, just because a company is tiny does not mean that the people using your software are not immune to switching. I would even venture to say that a one person shop is more prone to ditching your $50/m app than a 50 person shop is to ditching your $10K/m app.

What would you do if some company as cool as 37signals came along with a Basecamp clone, that also offered file sharing, voice mail, email, scripts for easy data migration from Basecamp to the new system, and offered this all for $19.95 per month? Why wouldn’t they switch?

My point was not that you should be a huckster and sell crummy software to large businesses. Just because a business is large, they don’t need “real value” out of their software??

My point is that selling in volume to small business isn’t necessarily the best approach for a small development team - because it takes a lot longer to get your cashflow going.

I suppose it depends on your marketing strategy, but I’ve found it is easier to sell something for $5K per month to one larger client than it is to sell something for $50 per month to 100 small clients.

As always, your mileage may vary.

half empty 24 Jul 05

And I should say, the most successful business people I know have a multi tier product strategy. They have one thing they sell to super rich clients for 6 digits, then they have another thing they sell to not as rich clients for 4 digits, then something they sell to the masses for 2 digits.

pk 24 Jul 05

Vanilla sure looks like a 37signals-design rip off.

ridiculous statement. it simply looks like what’s currently popular.

Randy 24 Jul 05

In the same vein, just because a company is tiny does not mean that the people using your software are not immune to switching. I would even venture to say that a one person shop is more prone to ditching your $50/m app than a 50 person shop is to ditching your $10K/m app.

What JF is saying is that when you have 10 customers, and one leaves, 10% of your customers (and likely revenue) are gone. It’s far more likely that 1 will leave than 500 of your 5000 smaller customers will leave simultaneously. The idea here is diversification. There’s safety in numbers.

But like you say, your mileage may vary.

Not Cynical 24 Jul 05

Great insight JF. Not flawless, but great insight.

Joshwa 24 Jul 05

OTOH, there is a valid point about getting the cashflow going. Unless you have a really big marketing advantage (such as 37signals founders’ bios, IIRC), or a day job, you’ll go under before you reach 10 customers.

Small teams and niche markets are great, but a guy’s gotta pay rent!

Blue 24 Jul 05

It’s way easier to get the cash flow going with a lot of smaller customers than trying to land your one or two big accounts with no track record. The little guys don’t care so much about track record - they just want results. The big guys want a lot of track record, a lot of process, a lot of questions answered, a lot of forms to fill out, and a lot of lawyer expenses, or someone gets fired.

Chris 24 Jul 05

I want an app to be something I buy, not something I subscribe to. A subscription denotes a service, not an app.

100% agree.

I like what you posted (for the most part). I think this sounds like open-source with a price. You don’t want 100 people to work for you but you want the power Microsoft or Apple have with there software.

The most popular software that millions of people us is either commercial or open-source. There doesn’t seem to be a happy medium.

I do agree that the next big app will be web based but does that include phones and PDAs? Maybe that’s the killer app right there, something you can use across anything with a connection.

How nice would it be to update your site from your phone when away from your computer?

jules 24 Jul 05

was that a blog post, or the mantra that Jason sticks on his bathroom mirror?
translation of 1st paragraph:
“The most important kind of software is the kind my company is making… no really. I swear”
It’s not that I think the position is completely wrong; it’s just that I don’t read SVN for the thrill of some ritual chanting of the basecamp manifesto.

half empty 24 Jul 05

blue, what you say is true for a certain segment. However, in my experience there are a lot of deep pocketed customers who are also just looking for results. I found that it was easier to get 3 community nursing organizations (government funded) paying me $5000 a month than it was to get 500 optometrists signed up for my $50/m optometric ASP. I don’t necessarily disagree with what 37 signals is saying, but realize they had a consulting business paying the bills before they launched Basecamp. It would have been harder to launch Basecamp with $0 unless they were living at home with their parents and had no expenses.

That said, if you are living at home with your parents and have no expenses, you can start any sort of web-based business you want, and as soon as you cover your hosting costs, you are in the black. It has never been a better time for 16 year old internet entrepreneurs.

Not Cynical 24 Jul 05

Jules, JF said “innovative” not “important” (although I’d argue in the spirit of the post he means both).

Not Cynical 24 Jul 05

Jules, JF said “innovative” not “important” (although I’d argue in the spirit of the post he means both).

Anonymous Coward 24 Jul 05

Half emtpy, I agree with you completely. The longtail and the whole idea of selling volumes is a great one WHEN you have a “content/product/service” that is consumed for what it is and does not need constant support or bug fixed or upgrades. For examples: iTunes selling songs, a market research firm selling 10 pages reports, MarketingSherpa etc. JUST PERFECT for the volume game.

Software applications? I’d argue its tough to spot too many small companies being successful and profitable selling tiny apps to tiny companies. It sounds interesting theoretically, but tough to realize pratically. JotSpot is aiming at the same market with self-service applications - again missing the point that these tiny companies won’t even self-serve. Like someone comments, a PowerBook really does solve most of their needs and it will solve more and more needs and make the apps easier with time.

As on the post, I agree with Julie that this one is more of a “37 pushing the 37 thoughts” kinda thing. Not good…we all know the basic thoughts of 37 and while they are great, they are not unique.

And whoever said Vanilla was a rip-off, should know that a lot of 37 design is also Apple-inspired! And anyways, Vanilla is pretty original.

Dan Hartung 24 Jul 05

It has never been a better time for 16 year old internet entrepreneurs

… or unemployed ones. :-S

There was a great point in the SVW article by Greg Gianforte: Without VC money, you are forced to figure out how to extract funds from your customers for value you deliver.

This is really the crux of any business, and it’s where almost every dot com went wrong. The ones that didn’t go wrong, well, they were closer to the above statement than you think, and yes, I’m thinking of you, Amazon.

half empty writes:
Are there even 2000 users in your niche?

… which I think answers its own question. A 2000-user niche is not a market. And while I would wish anyone luck with their $50/mo webapp business, I’m not sure that is the market being discussed in Jason’s original post. 37signals is selling to the $5/mo, 2-million user market. I’ll hazard a guess and say their customer base forms a bell curve, and that there are few Basecamp users at the high end, and a whole boatload at the lower end (and even more at the freebie end).

Jason wrote, “There’s an endless supply of 1-10 person companies.” That’s where you want to sell to — the market that never runs out.

I have an acquaintance who sells slots in a directory of redacted schools. Their site has a halfway decent PageRank, and they charge, I think, $50/mo for an entry. (They also have a “web design” service, which delivers snazzy 1997 results. Blink tag? Check. Marquee? Chizzeck.) But you look at their entire market and there aren’t 2000 redacted schools in the entire USA.

I like everything Jason said except the trend for these new online apps to be hosted on a central server.

Some of them don’t get added value from being web-only, but others do. Certainly the mobile consultant class has a need for “information everywhere” (usually fulfilled by a pricey notebook). Realize also that you get automatic backup and disaster recovery services in this mix (and woe betide the niche webapp that doesn’t provide robust failsafes). You get, in many cases, instant start-up. You get instant and, ideally, painless user-expansion. You get a constant development cycle, and you always, always, have the latest version. Best of all, you never have to upgrade your equipment just for the app’s sake.

Certainly it’s not for every single task. But the webapp is a different beast in many ways and isn’t something you can just evaluate side-by-side with a traditional desktop app. It’s a different mix of strengths and benefits, and I personally think the flexibility will ultimately surpass the desktop application, especially when you realize this is the model that desktop software is moving toward anyway. Microsoft wants to be subscription software; they hate the idea of supporting some creaky Pentium I running Windows 98 SE and printing to a LaserJet 1000. That, of course, is exactly what a lot of these onesy-twosy clients have.

Not Cynical 24 Jul 05

As on the post, I agree with Julie that this one is more of a “37 pushing the 37 thoughts” kinda thing. Not good…we all know the basic thoughts of 37 and while they are great, they are not unique

Ummm… This is the 37signals blog where people come to listen to 37signals and discuss ideas (just like we might go to Ross’s blog to hear his ideas, or Joe’s blog to hear his ideas, etc). FYI 37signals never claimed their ideas are unique.

Mike 24 Jul 05

Going forward, I also believe that more and more innovation will come from small companies, in particular for web apps. The costs of building, launching, and maintaining web apps have come down dramatically. Plus, you can now do business from anywhere.

We have a team of 3 developers in Kuala Lumpur and just launched http://www.blinklist.com. We have several other web apps in the pipeline.

However, I don’t think that this trend is limited for web apps targeted at side-businesses. I think it will be much broader than that.

Mike

Charles Jolley 25 Jul 05

That said, I’m not sure who is going to build software suited to micro micro businesses. A 1-5 person shop doesn’t need a payroll system. I’m not sure what they need that doesn’t come pre-installed on a powerbook. do they actually need anything other than excel and quickbooks?

Yes they do need more than just that! Do don’t make money trying to build a marketing web-site or processing your public e-mail. As a small business, the more you can focus on your specialty and farm out the rest to others, the better off you will be.

Most small business owners I’ve talked with understand this, the problem is most software vendors and other service providers simply cost too much. This is where the opportunity lies.

Of course, selling to these small businesses is a completely different ball game. These small businesses buy airline tickets, not Lear jets. To succeed with the Under Ten crowd you have to act like a consumer products company that happens to sell business software.

There are over 2,000,000 businesses in the US alone with 10 employees or less and they are really under served which means they are a great target market. The trick is to build your business model to meet their unique needs. Do that, and their bounty is yours.

Full disclosure: I am part of a new business to provide hosted business software for companies with 10 employees or less. We plan to launch in the fall.

Elliott 25 Jul 05

Sorry to be so negative.

But how do you actually know all this information? It seems to me like you’ve just spouted a lot of information, whilst given nothing to back it up.

I’m a good deal of this is the truth. Most of it is simply your opinion……as a man that makes “small” software for a living.

Geof Harries 25 Jul 05

Mike,

A user experience tip on http://www.blinklist.com - make yourself a big fat “Sign Up” button instead of burying that tiny link in the top paragraph. I want to try out the service but am forced to wade through all that similarily styled copy just to get going.

Ed Knittel 25 Jul 05

@half empty - replace “independent optometrists” with “dog kennel owners” and our stories are the same. My company completely targets a niche market and we sell a web-based service for $69.95/mo. You’re absolutely right, it takes a long time to get 200 clients just so you’re sitting comfortably - and who knows if we’ll ever see 2000. The point though is this: this industry and many other small niche markets demand software that works for the way they do business. And if we don’t try to provide for it who will? Our competitiors have developed Windows based software for over 15 years yet their products still haven’t delivered everything that the market needs/wants.

I really think that it’s important for anyone looking to get into a niche market is to realize that you will NOT get rich quick. You WILL have a lot of phone calls and emails from your clients and and you WILL question why you ever decided to it. But the truth is that we know that we’ve shaken the pet care industry up a bit. Many may know that it’s one of the fastest growing markets out there so there is always room for improvement. So we’re enjoying what we’re doing and that’s important too.

Which is why we also decided to make the application web-based. To those who say they would rather own their software rather than subscribe to it, a lot of that is going to change. We already subscribe to so many things in our life: phone, cable, internet, electricity, gas, leasing office space, etc. Most people aren’t against subscribing to something so long as it’s easy to get to their data. We make it very clear to our clients that it’s very easy to export their data at any time and us some other application. By explaining to them that we’ve made it easy for them to leave they’ve actually felt more secure about using our product.

JohnO 25 Jul 05

Jumped in way late on this discussion, yet I think I need to say something that hasn’t been said.

The post makes an assumption: you have to reach the Fortune 5,000,000. In times past, we couldn’t therefore this market was largely untapped. Only now, with the Internet, and with simple brands in the form of blogs, do other small software teams, which make small products for small businesses, get exposure to the wider world in which those small businesses live and operate. 37signals could have made basecamp and backpack, but without their blog being as widely read, they wouldn’t be the big success story they are.

John Peele 25 Jul 05

A thought… If my company builds an app that services a “larger” client market for $5000/month, most likely, my company and I are going to spending a lot of time and energy getting comfortable in that market.

But, if my company builds apps that support the “smaller” client market with $50-$100/month price tags we then have the flexibility to move to other niches more easily. We don’t have to worry about signing up 2000 customers on one market. We can focus on build bases of 100 customers across many markets or niches.

If we build a specific app and only 50 clients signup, we haven’t lost all of our eggs to that one basket. With the advent of faster development cycles and smaller teams with lower overheads and more flexibility, an application that fails to bring in a majority of the revenues for my company is no longer considered a liability.

If we continue to focus on building quality applications that truly solve problems and help a particular type of client, then I believe that this model is sustainable.

*ching, ching*

Mark Priestap 25 Jul 05

Though you have enough people chiming in here, I thought I’d do it too. This is right on the money.
My most needed apps:
1. Invoice generator/tracker (affordable)
2. Small Business Finance tracker
3. Aggregator that checks my email too
4. Email client that integrates with Basecamp - my clients don’t like to log in to B.C. and would rather click “reply” in Outlook.
The only problem with having all this web-based and hosted elsewhere is that we can’t all afford a litany of monthly fees. Basecamp is stretching me already.
There are more apps to add to the list, but my mind is blank from spending too many nights up late freelancing and feeding a fussy baby.

JF 25 Jul 05

Email client that integrates with Basecamp - my clients don’t like to log in to B.C. and would rather click “reply” in Outlook.

We’ll be making this much simpler shortly. You’ll be able to post comments to Basecamp via email.

Kenneth Miller 25 Jul 05

I might humbly suggest that 37 Signals revisit their practice of being so bluntly negative about any business or coding practice they are not pursuing. There is no added virtue in developing software for tiny businesses. You are not “doing the wrong thing” if you develop enterprise applications. 37S has had good fortune with the less-features applications they develop. But not all applications can have less features. Not all applications can be hosted. And not all applications can be web-based…or developed with rails for that matter. But there are many small 1-2 person side businesses using your software…while maintaining a day job they enjoy none the less. That day job may very-well entail developing or creating products for those Fortune 5000-500 big boys. It makes your customers feel bad when you invalidate what they have to do for a living while touting the glories of your small less-feature software empire. If you fall out of favor, so too will your software fall. I know why you have to take a strong stance…but you might want to dial it back a bit…the whole negative thing only works for rock stars…like Billy Corgan…maybe it is a Chicago thing.

Josh Williams 25 Jul 05

The size of the niche is hugely important in relation to the success of a small app. A potential market of 2,000 users won’t get you anywhere with a small app. Obviously, there is no way you can get all 2,000 to sign up. Just not going to happen.

However, online freelancing site Guru.com reports over 430,000 users. That’s a potential market and a half.

Josh Williams 25 Jul 05

Kenneth - Just noticed your post… I think you have to look at the title of this post, “The Neglected Software Market.” I don’t believe it’s Jason’s intentions to slam those developing software for big business. He’s just pointing out that software for small business is a neglected market.

JF 25 Jul 05

Kenneth - Just noticed your post… I think you have to look at the title of this post, “The Neglected Software Market.” I don’t believe it’s Jason’s intentions to slam those developing software for big business. He’s just pointing out that software for small business is a neglected market.

Exactly. I’m not suggesting developing software for the big guys is bad, negative, or a mistake — I’m just suggesting that people take a look at the neglected side/small business market.

Don Schenck 25 Jul 05

Those who comment that it takes a while to build a client list and income:

Let me encourage you; don’t overlook the idea of your business being a “side business” for a while.

True, it might not be the best situation, but you do what you gotta do, eh?

David Heinemeier Hansson 25 Jul 05

That’s very true, Schenck. And exactly how it played out for 37signals with Basecamp. We didn’t go full time to create Basecamp and other revenue streams were paying the bills until Basecamp picked up.

And we actually highlight that as a positive in the Building of Basecamp workshop. It’s another of those wonderful constraints. So “might noth be the best situation” should perhaps rather be welcomed as a “an even better situation”.

Michal Migurski 25 Jul 05

I agree that there’s a movement toward purpose-built bespoke software. So far, the largest source of noise I’ve seen about the phenomenon has come from makers of this same type of software, so I wonder how widespread the trend might be. I’m absolutely loving the torrent of pretty little web applications popping up all over the place, but in two or three years firms will be up to their armpits in purpose-built apps, crying out for a little standardization already.

“Small, Self-Funded Web-Based Software Firm Predicts Innovative Software To Come From Small, Self-Funded Web-Based Side-Business Software Firms. More at 11!”

Mark Priestap 25 Jul 05

“You’ll be able to post comments to Basecamp via email”

Cool.

Geoff 25 Jul 05

We’ll be making this much simpler shortly. You’ll be able to post comments to Basecamp via email.

Yes! Maybe I’ll finally have to upgrade back to Basic again.

Jeffrey Hicks 25 Jul 05

Disruptive technology as defined by wikipedia

“Low-end disruption” occurs when the rate at which products improve exceeds the rate at which customers can learn and adopt the new performance. Therefore, at some point the performance of the product overshoots the needs of certain customer segments. At this point, a disruptive technology may enter the market and provide a product which has lower performance than the incumbent but which exceeds the requirements of certain segments, thereby gaining a foothold in the market.

How low-end disruption occurs over time.In low-end disruption, the disruptive company will naturally aim to improve its margin (from low commodity level) and therefore will innovate to capture the next level of customer requirements. The incumbent will not want to engage in a price war with a simpler product with lower production costs and will move up-market and focus on its more attractive customers. After a number of iterations, the incumbent has been squeezed into successively smaller markets and when finally the disruptive technology meets the demands of its last segment the incumbent technology disappears.

dan hartung 25 Jul 05

Kenneth Miller wrote:
I might humbly suggest that 37 Signals revisit their practice of being so bluntly negative about any business or coding practice they are not pursuing

Boy, are you reading your own personally-colored feed of this site, or what?

Another point overlooked in this discussion: products like Basecamp sell well inside the enterprise, as well, precisely because there’s no steep approval and support-level-agreement process. Betcha there are plenty of Backpackers working in the Fortune 500. It’s a “back door” sales approach, and it will probably be an increasing threat to the enterprise-level vendors. I’m very curious to see how this plays out. Disruptive technology, indeed.

pwb 25 Jul 05

Your thoughts about the needs of side-businesses are interesting, but you provide no evidence to support them

How about Google, eBay and PayPal? All three do the bulk of their business through the 1-10 person “companies”.

For #1, I would make sure that it’s understood that the solution, even though web-based, could be self-hosted. For example, I’d take SugarCRM over Salesforce.

Charles Jolley 25 Jul 05

I think Jeffery Hicks hit it on the head: what makes the Under Ten market interesting is that it is a rare opportunity for a low end disruption. Anyone used to selling to larger enterprises will have a cost structure that makes these small businesses not worth the effort. This means anyone who pursues these customers specifically basically has an open market.

As with all disruptive technologies, as apps built for these small businesses mature, they will become useful to more large companies and eventually they will be used there as well. That is what makes this market so exciting.

Also, this whole wave is very early in its life cycle. It is reasonable to expect that the most vocal proponents at this point would be those who believe in it so much they are ready to invest their own time and money in it. That does not mean this trend is not really a trend.

Finally, I would like to point out that not all businesses with 10 employees or less are the same. 37signals initially targeted other design firms with Basecamp. This group as a whole is largely online so it is much easier to build customers in this segment than it would be to reach, say, antique shop owners with a inventory management system. Eventually I think we will reach most of these 2,000,000+ small businesses with online software, but certain segments are going to pick it up faster than others.

Disclosure: I am part of Sprout Systems. We will launch this fall with hosted business software for companies with 10 employees or less.

Ed Knittel 25 Jul 05

My most needed apps:
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2. Small Business Finance tracker
3. Aggregator that checks my email too
4. Email client that integrates with [fill-in-theblank] - my clients don’t like to log in to [fill-in-theblank] and would rather click “reply” in Outlook.

I’ll add to that list what we hear most often with our product - Accounts Payable (AP). We managed to build Accounts Receivable (AR) into our application but our clients would rather not have to use Quickbooks for all oftheir accounting. (Export transactions the import into QB = tediously unnecessary) So then add to that payroll, and state/city taxes, etc and you’ve gout yourself a bear of a project. If someone can build a basic, AP application that can integrate easily Ruby (or in our case .Net) you’ve got yourself a big ol’ niche market.

heif 25 Jul 05

good stuff, jf! fortune 5,000,000… love it

jules 26 Jul 05

i think the discussion is still overlooking the cost of sales - HalfEmpty’s experience (above) will be more typical than 37signals…

a) 37signals has been exceptionally successful at generating a name for themselves/avid blog readers/speaking engagements(?)/loyal following of fans;
b) their target market gives is exceptionally online-minded/research-mided/blog-reading/blog-posting

= 37signals has enjoyed viral popularity with extremely low cost of sales. And they’re not claiming that their apps are raking it in, either. In the end, there is only room for a few ‘industry darlings’, and in relatively few markets… the rest of the fledgling ‘side-business software’ providers are going to face very depressing economics - spending $$ on trade shows/industry publications/etc just to pick up a smattering of $10-50/month subscriptions

Martyn F. 26 Jul 05

Jason,

Sometimes your arrogance as some all-knowing developer amazes people like me. Yes, perhaps the small-business market might be “neglected” in your view. But if it’s such a huge problem, suppliers will be lining-up to provide such services, if the money is there. Put simply, small (“Under Ten”) organisations don’t want to put up the money for such software. Yet. Perhaps the market will mature and we can see this in a few years, but not yet.

Get off your damed Basecamp/37Signals/Tadalist/other non-entity apps mantra and take a broader view. I really don’t know why I keep visiting this site. It used to be about interesting places on the web. Now it’s just the 37Signals “aren’t we great” bandwagon. It’s so terribly tedious.

Martyn.

Vanessa 26 Jul 05

Martyn- What makes Jason’s post so interesting is not the buzzwords, which I take more as stategic planning for a development shop, but how the 37 crew can take a business model and see an unmet market. Reaching a new market takes plenty of work. It’s not so much mantra-washing but sharing their core business focus.

Of course, the market needs some maturing but there is money to tap into now and the first to reach any market makes out better than any of the me-too companies waiting to copy a business model that has already proven successful. There’s more risk than doing things the old way but that’s how a lot of micro businesses start in the first place; they know they have to get through a jungle to be a success and that’s part of the excitement.

Also, the supplier in ‘suppliers will come if there’s a market’ is changing. There are more tiny shops who can meet needs. Those tiny shops are becoming suppliers for the newly realized markets. They just pass under the radar of larger companies.

The writing style and tone of SvN is refreshing, honest and open. They share with us the things they enjoy: sometimes it’s the really cool ideas like drawers inside stairs and sometimes its about what they believe in like tapping a new market.

I’ll take both.

Tim Almond 26 Jul 05

Michal,

I think that some businesses will see that they can get software that’s more orientated towards process and also much, much simpler than buying in a server, installing, networking, having support teams etc etc.

The key thing is that people will need things like import/export/XML options on data. We may also see some co-operation (like someone with a timesheet application has an automated link to an invoicing application, which once approved, issues a timesheet).

Dan Hartung 26 Jul 05

37signals has enjoyed viral popularity with extremely low cost of sales…. there is only room for a few ‘industry darlings’, and in relatively few markets… the rest of the fledgling ‘side-business software’ providers are going to face very depressing economics

Well, if they’re producing apps like Half Empty’s example, which has an intrinsically limited market, of course they’re going to have trouble. You’ve turned things around; 37signals has generated sales through viral marketing. I don’t doubt they had a built-in advantage when launching Basecamp — lots of web-design-kid mindshare, helped by the Ruby on Rails publicity at the same time as AJAX was becoming a buzzword — but that’s already a couple of products ago; they couldn’t have continued to succeed without great products. Certainly there are other successful web-application businesses out there. Flickr arguably had the same 37signals advantages before being sold to Yahoo … but then, MySpace had none of those advantages, was (still is) seen as the ugly stepchild to Friendster, and yet out in the wilderness they signed up a boatload of emo kids and came from behind to be a serious player in hosting professional, major-label bands.

Certainly the trade-show marketing route is inappropriate for most webapps. If that’s all you can think of, outside of “already being a popular web designer”, well, you need to read more Seth Godin and Gaping Void. If that’s all you think would work for your audience, why the hell are you in this niche in the first place?

Yes, perhaps the small-business market might be “neglected” in your view. But if it’s such a huge problem, suppliers will be lining-up to provide such services, if the money is there.

Martyn, you do seem like a misfit for this blog. In the next post over David explains why those suppliers aren’t lining up. They can’t market to these niches. They can’t do projects that are small enough. Smaller players can do it, because they have passion, they inspire it in their customers, they have flexibility, and to them $1 million isn’t chump change. The money’s there, but only for small players.

I know this market. There’s already software for them, but it’s poorly designed, user-unfriendly, badly supported, and expensive as hell. That’s your competition. They have the market to themselves because it’s already been ignored by the behemoth vendors. If you can’t beat that, you’re just not trying.

Martyn F 28 Jul 05

danhartung: “I know this market.”

What a modest readership we have here. Jason Fried and Dan Hartung - surity bordering on arrogance methinks!

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This has been a really fascinating debate. And I think those who are looking at the opportunities this market presents are on to something.

For the record, the microbusiness market isn’t 2,000,000 businesses strong. According to the latest figures out of the SBA Office of Advocacy, it’s more than 20,000,000 businesses strong. It’s 95% of the firms in the country. Personally, I think it’s completely retarded that more companies are not chasing this market as hard as they can, just because it’s so gigantic.

And, you might be interested to know, some of those big boys are starting to wake up and smell the coffee when it comes to this market. I and other microbusiness specialists I know have lately been fielding calls from companies like Cisco and Microsoft, who are trying to figure out what this market needs and how they buy.

And the software needs of this market are probably broader than you think, because microbusinesses span every industry sector to be had. I publish a paid subscription electronic newsletter and could really use a circulation management app to simplify my administrative processes. But, predictably, all the circulation management software I’ve been able to locate has lots more bells and whistles than I would ever need and costs a lot more than I can afford. I’m sure there are other industry-specific apps that clever programmers could come up with, in addition to the more generic microbusiness apps.

One other thing you might be interested in knowing is this: the trends are pointing toward continued growth in the microbusiness market, accompanied by some shrinkage in the non-micro “small business” market. The growth in the number of businesses in the country has been almost all micro since the turn of the century (non-employers were 69% of U.S. firms in 1999; they were 76% of all U.S. firms in 2004) and everybody everywhere would be smart to take a careful look at these underserved folks rather than writing them off as more trouble than they are worth.

As this new economy continues to evolve, those 20,000-plus micros are going to want to figure out to seriously increase their revenues without having to grow their organizations. The right software will help them do that, and the more they earn, the more they can pay for the right products and services. That sounds like a win-win to me.

Charles Jolley 07 Aug 05

Dawn:

You’re right, it’s 20,000,000. I left out a zero. Sorry.

-Charles
CEO Sproutit.com

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I left hi-tech corporate marketing because I saw a real need to help manufacturers gain market validation for new product concepts, while getting pre-release products and incentives to small business owners who are interested in evaluating new technologies.

It’s a simple concept based on a symbiotic model and is a great way for small businesses to stay current on what’s out there and be part of a community where these types of beta programs and opportunities are aggregated into one place.

I’ve started prospecting with several manufacturers who “get” the concept and see the value of SMBxchange. The challenge now is the chicken-or-the egg: manufacturers want to tap into a mature community, but how can one aggressively recruit small businesses into a community that has yet to serve up any offers. I’m still building critical mass in membership, but if anyone would like to sign up, I would greatly appreciate your support: www.smbxchange.com (click Join Now).

It’s exciting to see the new offerings from some of these SMB-driven companies, and I’m anxious to start sharing them with the community. As many of you pointed out, some of these large companies aren’t quite there yet, but are investing a lot of resources into understanding the requirements and buying behaviors of small businesses: who they are, what they buy, how they buy, and why.

Joy Beilfuss 10 Aug 05

We’ve got it! We are currently rolling out a product called w/Ease Small Business Software. It is specifically designed for micro-businesses and is operations software, not just accounting software. The software allows you to set up multiple businesses, track jobs, quotes and costs by customer, print daily task sheets, do invoicing, and even print business cards, letterhead and envelopes! Like you, we also saw the need in the marketplace so we’ve invested almost two years in developing this product. Our challenge has been reaching the microbusiness owners before they commit to products like Quickbooks or Peachtree. I encourage readers to visit our site and try the free demo…www.w-ease.com. Thanks for the opportunity to let you know about our product.

Kevin 13 Aug 05

Funny thing, this forum/blog/whatever we’re calling it after a dozen years online.

I’ve read a lot of business publications after eschewing my tech roots years ago, but I gotta say that the economic discussion herein is a lot more trenchant than anything I’ve seen in most online business publications.

I had been blindly going down the smaller-is-better thesis for my next venture, but “half empty” really slapped me in the face. I’m great at selling into large companies - and Lord knows they have more money. But the opportunity to create software that works for the smaller community but can be upsold for larger cos is of course the right idea.

After all, even our hosts (37 signals) take the approach of tiered pricing.

SGL 23 Aug 05

Too bad I could not hire 37signals to work on a project in this space. Seems like Scrivs criticism’s may have distracted you from returning phone calls.

Nicholas Longo - CEO CoffeeCup Software 24 Aug 05

Not only have we been creating software this way for the last 10 years I have posted this many times in the ASP (Assocation of Shareware Professionals) Newsgroups with the addition of Web Applications as the next wave. Good job informing the rest of the world.

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www.coffeecup.com

Dean A. Nash 08 Sep 05

I’ve been living in China for the past couple of years and I’ve been working “on the side” on a personal project, designing and building a machine that I will sell commercially.

During this process, I’ve had exactly the same idea for mechanical tools that Jason has written here regarding apps.

There are so many potential “mechanical inventions” and tools that small businesses could use, IF they could find them. However, these markets are so fragmented, and I think this is the crux of the issue. If you can reach the individual pieces, the market most likely exists. The other variable has to do with your labor costs.

And this is where I think that using Chinese labor (programmers) is going to make a big difference. The types of apps we’re talking about aren’t complicated, just customized. China can handle this.

As soon as I can figure out how to reach the fragmented markets, I’m going to start building some of the customized mechanical items that small businesses need. (Cafepress is already doing the same thing for PR items.)

Chris 23 Oct 05

You get what you pay for. If you purchase a product or contract for the cheapest service around; don’t be surprised if it performs that way too. The advent of cheap IT development from India and others has an undercurrent that isn’t talked about freely in the press. That is software quality. My experience working with firms that cater to small jobs and small budgets is that the developers are frequently from third world countries with little or no understanding of the business and software development practices used in the First world. The resulting products are cheap, inefficient, and horribly written.

Melle J. de Jong 25 Oct 05

Long Term Business Strategie?

Sure, Atlas timesheet software is used by many large companies as well, but the bulk of our customers (85%) are small 1-5 person shops, freelancers, small groups, and side/micro business owners using the free timesheet software edition.

But why? Why on earth would we give away perfectly good software? Because we’re crazy? Well, maybe. Our friends with the free Edition might agree with that.

But in the end it’s really simple. Someday they’ll be in a bigger company, either because the company they’re in will grow or because they’ll get a new job, and they’ll know us, like us, and they’ll buy from us.

Warm regards from a tropical Brasil,

Melle J. de Jong
Managing Director
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http://www.atlasbusinesssoftware.com

Fred 22 Jan 06

My experience is that software that costs $100,000 a go is poorly written crap you’d promptly return if you bought it shrink wrapped.

You’re not paying for better software, you’re paying for a consultant to come to your business, install it, maintain it, teach you how to use it and ultimately to fix the piece of crap you bought in the first place.

Scott Gingrich 01 Feb 06

With all the on-line software’s now becoming available, especially for smaller companies, I’m wondering when (not if) one of these providers goes out of business and people lose valuable information. I think until we have the ability to “take our data with us” we better be aware of contingency plans and check out the providers before we put too much data up! I’m sure over the next couple of years, these kinks will get worked out and we can move more and more of our corporate intelligence on-line with confidence. There are truly some great apps coming out.

Jin 22 Feb 06

“Art of War” mentioned something about this…. hmm..

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Tammy Wier 03 Apr 06

Do you know how long it has taken for me to find one person on the web who actually realizes this! For God’s sake, I would love to be a part of something like this. I am not far from graduating from DeVry Univeristy with a BSBA in Human Resources/Computer Information Systems. My husband owns a very small construction business, and I would love to manage his business with a software that he can use. But, it’s got to work. I would love to be part of a team who were really dedicated to doing something like this that users can really use without wasting money on some cheezy application. Having the insight as to what my husband can do with a really good software would be very different than a salon owner. My husband could care less about comp & benefits, but more in tune manager self servicew in employee & supplier databases, payroll, budget information, project management, etc. Guys got any ideas?

gravyface 05 Apr 06

I think that 37Signals is the exception rather than the rule here. I’m sure the boys are making a tidy profit off of Backpack but only because they’ve been coasting on the wake of the extremely-hyped Ruby on Rails movement.

I like RoR; I like Backpack too, but when I read an essay like this, I can’t help but feel sorry for anyone who thinks that “if you build it, they will come” — it doesn’t work that way.

Open source it. Start a campaign. Start a scandal — get eyeballs. Thats the only way you’re going to make any money at it.

anonymous coward 11 Apr 06

Interesting analogy — just an fyi, the Fortune 500 is an actual list of companies published by Fortune magazine. There is no such Fortune 5,000,000 list

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Great article! I believe what freelancers and entrepreneur’s need more than anything, is a marketplace to trade services, and help one another get their businesses off the ground.

Maybe this will help!?

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MTOROLA T720 C/R[CINGULAR]—US$80
MOTOROLA V600—-US$120
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR..$140USD BLACK COLOR
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR..$150USD SILVER COLOR
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR..$160USD PINK COLOR
MOTOROLA MPX 220 AT JUST $120usd,
MOTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST $160usd,
MOTOROLA V661 AT JUST $145USD
SAMSUNG SGH-A500— US$150
SAMSUNG SGH-T500 Champagne— US$100
SAMSUNG SGH-V200— US$110
SAMSUNG SGH-T200— US$110
SAMSUNG SGH-R225 TRIBAND —US$95
SAMSUNG SGH-S307 850/1900—US$110
SAMSUNG V205[USED]TRIMODE—US$65
NEXTEL i930 AT JUST $110usd,
NEXTEL i860 AT JUST $100usd,
SAMSUNG D500 AT JUST $160usd,
SAMSUNG D415 AT JUST $120usd
SAMSUNG SGH D720 JUST FOR …$170USD
SIDEKICK 2 JUST FOR ..$120USD

PDA
Palm Zire 72 PDA……..$100usd
Sony PEG-SJ33 Color CLIÉ Handheld PDA…$120usd
Sony CLIÉ PEG-UX50 PDA…….$150usd
HP iPAQ Pocket PC hx4705 PDA…..$160usd
Palm Tungsten E PDA…….$60usd
Palm Tungsten T5 PDA…….$80usd
Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager PDA…..$100usd
HP iPAQ Pocket PC HX4700 PDA……$200usd
Sharp Mobilon HC-4100 PDA……$100usd
o2 XDAII MINI integrated Pocket PC & GSM phone……$300usd
o2 XDAIIS integrated pocket PC & GSM Phone…….$330usd
HP Ipaq HX4700 Pocket PC ……..$200usd
HP Ipaq HX2700 Pocket PC …….$300usd
and many more available in store and legit buyer needed.

laptops
SONY VAIO A217S— 100GB— 512MB RAM— XP HOME——————-$300
SONY VAIO B1VP— 40GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP PRO———————$330
SONY VAIO T370P/L— 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP————————$200
SONY VAIO A215Z 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP—————————$2450
SONY VAIO A397XP— 80GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP————————$300
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$250
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$400
SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$350
SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$350
SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP————————-$450
SONY VAIO B1VP— 40GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP PRO——————-$200
SONY VAIO T370P/L— 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP PRO—————$400
SONY VAIO LAPTOP— VGN-A117S———————-$400

Regards
Management
MR philp
TEL:234-1-2346574 or +2348039846395
FAX:234-1-9367201
E_MAIL:phiwil_phonesplaza@hotmail.com

lawson 11 May 06

WE ARE SELLING LOTS OF MOBILE PHONES FOR VERY CHEAP PRICE AND THESE PHONES ARE THE LATEST PHONES ALSO THEY SELLS A LOT IN MARTEK SO THEY ARE AS FOLLOW””””””’
If you are indeed interested and ready to order pls contact us on the information below. Email:all4calls@hotmail.com

Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……40 USD

Apple 40 GB iPod photo………………..40 USD

Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….40 USD

Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD

Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD

Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD

Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD

Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD

Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD

Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD

Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….110 USD

Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….150 USD

X box premium console ……………… 190usd

Ps3 …………………………………220usd

Ps2 …………………………………..160usd

Contact us birect by e mail all4calls@hotmail.com

FOR SELL MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $140usd,

FOR SELL MOTOROLA RAZOR V3x MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150usd

FOR SELL NEXTEL i930 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $120usd,

FOR SELL NEXTEL i860 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $100usd,

FOR SELL SONY ERICSSON P910i MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $170usd,

FOR SELL SONY ERICSSON W800i MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $140usd

FOR SELL MOTOROLA MPX 220 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $130usd,

FOR SELL MOTOROLA MPX 300 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $140usd,

FOR SELL SONY ERICSSON S700i MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $120usd

FOR SELL NOKIA 9500 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $160usd,

FOR SELL NOKIA 9300 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $130usd,

FOR SELL SAMSUNG D500 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150usd,

FOR SELL SAMSUNG D500 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $170usd

FOR SELL SIDEKICK II MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $100usd

FOR SELL SIDEKICK III MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $120usd

FOR SELL NOKIA N71 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150USD

FOR SELL NOKIA N80 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $160USD

FOR SELL NOKIA N92 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $200USD

FOR SELL NOKIA N70 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150usd

FOR SELL NOKIA N90 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $170usd

FOR SELL NOKIA N91 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $170usd

FOR SELL NOKIA 8800 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150usd
Contact us birect by e mail:all4calls@hotmail.com

lawson 11 May 06

WE ARE SELLING LOTS OF MOBILE PHONES FOR VERY CHEAP PRICE AND THESE PHONES ARE THE LATEST PHONES ALSO THEY SELLS A LOT IN MARTEK SO THEY ARE AS FOLLOW””””””’
If you are indeed interested and ready to order pls contact us on the information below. Email:all4calls@hotmail.com

Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……40 USD

Apple 40 GB iPod photo………………..40 USD

Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….40 USD

Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD

Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD

Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD

Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD

Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD

Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD

Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD

Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….110 USD

Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….150 USD

X box premium console ……………… 190usd

Ps3 …………………………………220usd

Ps2 …………………………………..160usd

Contact us birect by e mail all4calls@hotmail.com

FOR SELL MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $140usd,

FOR SELL MOTOROLA RAZOR V3x MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150usd

FOR SELL NEXTEL i930 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $120usd,

FOR SELL NEXTEL i860 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $100usd,

FOR SELL SONY ERICSSON P910i MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $170usd,

FOR SELL SONY ERICSSON W800i MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $140usd

FOR SELL MOTOROLA MPX 220 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $130usd,

FOR SELL MOTOROLA MPX 300 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $140usd,

FOR SELL SONY ERICSSON S700i MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $120usd

FOR SELL NOKIA 9500 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $160usd,

FOR SELL NOKIA 9300 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $130usd,

FOR SELL SAMSUNG D500 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150usd,

FOR SELL SAMSUNG D500 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $170usd

FOR SELL SIDEKICK II MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $100usd

FOR SELL SIDEKICK III MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $120usd

FOR SELL NOKIA N71 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150USD

FOR SELL NOKIA N80 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $160USD

FOR SELL NOKIA N92 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $200USD

FOR SELL NOKIA N70 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150usd

FOR SELL NOKIA N90 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $170usd

FOR SELL NOKIA N91 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $170usd

FOR SELL NOKIA 8800 MOBILE PHONE AT JUST $150usd
Contact us birect by e mail:all4calls@hotmail.com

Mr Chelsea 16 May 06

Dear Sir/Ma,
We are exporter of mobile phones and wholesalers.Wedeals on allbrands and models of mobile phones such as Nokia,Motorola,Samsung,Sony Ericsson,Sagem, Nextel,Sidekick II,Sprint,Ipods, Laptops, Mp3 player and many more at very cheap prices.We are using thismedium to look for serious buyers of mobile phones.Do
kindly reply back if you are interested and as you do you will be
glad during business with us, you can reach us through our
email address: mobilelineshop2006@yahoo.com

phone: +2348027271877

thank’s and God bless in anticipation of your patronage.

CHELSEA CROWN (sales rep)

WE ARE SELLING ALL KINDS OF MOBILE PHONES LIKE:
MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 AT JUST $140usd,
NEXTEL i930 AT JUST $130usd,
NEXTEL i860 AT JUST $110usd,
SONY ERICSSON P910i AT JUST $160usd
SONY ERICSSON W800i AT JUST $160usd
SONY ERICSSON S700i AT JUST $145usd
MOTOROLA MPX 220 AT JUST $140usd,
MOTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST $180usd,
SONY ERICSSON S700i AT JUST $140usd
SONY ERICSSON W800i AT JUST $160usd
NOKIA N92 AT JUST $220usd,
NOKIA N80 AT JUST $200usd,
NOKIA N70 AT JUST $180usd,
MICROSOFT XBOX 360 AT JUST $140usd,
PALM TREO 650 AT JUST $140usd,
PALM TREO 700W AT JUST $160usd,
PALM TREO 600 AT JUST $120usd,
NOKIA 9500 AT JUST $210usd,
NOKIA 9300 AT JUST $190usd,
NOKIA N90 AT JUST $210usd
NOKIA N91 AT JUST $230usd
SAMSUNG D600 AT JUST $200usd,
SAMSUNG D500 AT JUST $180usd,
SAMSUNG D415 AT JUST $150usd
SIDEKICK II AT JUST $120usd,
iMate Jasjar…………$250usd
iMate K-Jam…………….$170usd
iMate PDA2k……………$210usd
iMate Windows Mobile Pocket PC Phone …..$205usd
O2 Xda 2s ii ll Pda Phone…….. $270
O2 Xda Atom Mobile Phone…….. $260
O2 XDA II Mini Mobile Cellular Phone……$270
QTEK 9100 (Stylish black) PDA Phone (Sim Free /
Unlocked)…..$240
Qtek S100 for $210
Qtek 8300………$185
Qtek 8310 Smartphone (Worldwide, Unlocked)…….$200
Qtek 9000……..$300
Qtek 9000 with Atlantis 11G Router……..$350
copmpaq pocket pc communicator ……….$400

Thanks

CHELSEA CROWN

Send us e-mail to : mobilelineshop2006@yahoo.com

jimmy smart 17 May 06

We are legit company from uk wehave all brands of Mobile
Phones,Ipods,xbox
360, Sidekicks,Nextels phone,Laptops for sell at cheap and
affordable prices, they ranges from Nokia/Samsung/LG/Sony
Ericsson/Motorola/Alcatel/panasonic With Bluetooth, all
Brands and Models of Nextel Phones, we want you to get back
to us with your quote so that we can begin a good business
relationship. Note they are all Brand New T2 Euro specs,
unlocked, no operator logo, come in their
original sealed box, With 1 year international warranty
from the manufacturer, English & Spanish manual, Finland
made.
We want to assure you that you will never regret buying
from us because the delivery will be to your doorstep via
FedEx Courier service.And the Tracking number shall be sent
to you upon acknowledgement of your payment.
Kindly acknowledge the reciept of our mail and get back to
us at mineelectronics@hotmail.com
SONY VAIO A217S— 100GB— 512MB RAM— XP HOME——————-$300
SONY VAIO B1VP— 40GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP PRO———————$330
SONY VAIO T370P/L— 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP————————$200
SONY VAIO A215Z 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP—————————$2450
SONY VAIO A397XP— 80GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP————————$300
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$250
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$400
SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$350
SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$350
SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP————————-$450
SONY VAIO B1VP— 40GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP PRO——————-$200
SONY VAIO T370P/L— 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP PRO—————$400
SONY VAIO LAPTOP— VGN-A117S———————-$300
Toshiba Tecra 8200 (laptop)
850MHz Notebook with WiFi for onfiltered== $300
Dell Latitude C400 (laptop)
Ultra Lightweight 866MHz for onfiltered===$390
ThinkPad T42 2373 - Pentium M 735 1.7 GHz -(laptop)
RAM 512 MB - HD 40 GB - CD ===$590
ABS Mayhem G3 notebook Athlon (laptop)
64 3200+ 512MB 60GB/7200 CDRW/DVD 15.4’
Windows XP Home ====$800
AVERATEC 3150P - Athlon XP-M 1.33 (laptop)
GHz - 12.1” TFT===$500
Toshiba Tecra M4-S435 (laptop)==$1350
Acer TravelMate C314XMi Tablet PC ==$1300
Dell Inspiron 700m ===$1020
Dell Inspiron 700M for Home (Pentium M 1.70GHz, 512MB, 40GB)== $1100
Dell Inspiron 2200 for Home (Celeron 1.50GHz, 256MB, 40GB)== $1000
Alienware Area-51 5300 - P4 530J 3 GHz ===$590
Alienware DHS 5 (Athlon 64 1.8 GHz) ===$1590
Alienware Aurora ALX SLI ==== $4,100
So send us an email mineelectronics@hotmail.com
ipods
Archos price drop! G mini 402**** 230usd
Archos technology 500669 gminixs 200-mp3 player/recorder*160usd
Archos av 700 - 40gb mobile digital video recorder*** 320usd
Apple 512 mb ipod shuffle mp3**** player
New apple 60 GB video ipod****100USD
New apple 30 GB video ipod****140USD
play station 1……… $120
play station 2 ….$130
play station 3…..$150
x_box 360………$200
GARMIN 396……..$150
Here are thePrice list for different products;
NOKIA 7380 and 7280(unlock) $150 and $143
NOKIA 3230(UNLOCK)—US$120
NOKIA 3310(UNLOCK)— US$35
NOKIA 3330(UNLOCK)— US$70
NOKIA 3360(UNLOCK)—US$75
NOKIA 3410(UNLOCK)— US$59
NOKIA 3510(UNLOCK)— US$69
NOKIA 3510i(UNLOCK)— US$89
NOKIA 3530(UNLOCK)— US$150
NOKIA 3560 AT$T —US$100
NOKIA 3650 TIRBAND —US$140
NOKIA 5100(UNLOCK)— US$110
NOKIA 5125(UNLOCK)—US$55
NOKIA 5165(UNLOCK)—US$55
NOKIA 5210(UNLOCK)— US$130
NOKIA 5510(UNLOCK)— US$110
NOKIA 6090(UNLOCK)— US$150
NOKIA 6100(UNLOCK)— US$100
NOKIA 6600(UNLOCK)— US$200
NOKIA 6210(UNLOCK)— US$80
NOKIA 6230i(unlock)—US$160
NOKIA 6250(UNLOCK)— US$110
NOKIA 6500(CR)UNLOCK—US$90
NOKIA 6510(UNLOC)— US$125
NOKIA 6590[C/R]UNLOCK—US$75
NOKIA 6310(UNLOCK)— US$110
NOKIA 6310i(UNLOCK)— US$100
NOKIA 6610(UNLOCK)— US$100
NOKIA 6800(UNLOCK)— US$110
NOKIA 7110(UNLOCK)— US$100
NOKIA 7210 Turquoise(UNLOCK)— US$120
NOKIA 7250(UNLOCK)— US$160
NOKIA 7260(UNLOCK)— US$180
NOKIA 7650(UNLOCK)— US$120
NOKIA 7270(UNLOCK)— US$220
NOKIA 7280(UNLOCK)— US$250
NOKIA 8310(UNLOCK)— US$100
NOKIA 8390 1900 MHZ —US$95
NOKIA 7600(UNLOCK)—US$170
NOKIA 8910 Titanium— US$100
NOKIA 8850 SPECIAL EDITION— US$105
NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION— US$100
NOKIA 8910 Black— US$110
NOKIA 9210 Communicator— US$110
NOKIA 9210i Communicator— US$110
NOKIA 8910i— US$150
SONY ERICSSON
SONY ERICSSON T200(UNLOCK)— US$49
SONY ERICSSON T100(UNLOCK)— US$39
SONY ERICSSON R600(UNLOCK)— US$59
SONY ERICSSON T20e(UNLOCK)— US$59
SONY CMD-J70(UNLOCK)— US$59
SONY ERICSSON T20s(UNLOCK)— US$69
SONY ERICSSON T28s(UNLOCK)— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T28 World— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T29s— US$100
SONY ERICSSON T600— US$100
SONY CMD-J7— US$100
SONY CMD-J6— US$100
SONY ERICSSON T300(UNLOCK)— US$100
SONY ERICSSON T306 850/1900 —US$75
SONY ERICSSON T68i TIRBAND — US$95
SONY ERICSSON T65— US$100
SONY CMD-J5— US$69
SONY CMD-Z7— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T310(UNLOCK)— US$69
SONY ERICSSON T39m(UNLOCK)— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T66(UNLOCK)— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T616 850/1900 —US$180
SONY ERICSSON R520m(UNLOCK)— US$89
SONY CMD-Z5— US$89
SONY ERICSSON R380 World— US$89
SONY ERICSSON R380s— US$69
SONY ERICSSON T68m— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T610— US$109
SONY CMD-MZ5— US$139
SONY ERICSSON P800(UNLOCK)— US$180
SONY ERICSSON P900(UNLOCK)—-US$200
SONY ERICSSON P980i(UNLOCK)—-US$200
SONYERICSSON P990 JUST FOR …$210USD
MOTOROLA
MOTOROLA Talkabout 191— US$19
MOTOROLA C330— US$59
MOTOROLA C331[UNLOCK]FACT RB US$35
MOTOROLA C332[UNLOCK]FACT RB US$35
MOTOROLA V66— US$69
MOTOROLA v66i— US$79
MOTOROLA Talkabout192— US$59
MOTOROLA V51— US$79
MOTOROLA V50— US$79
MOTOROLA V70— US$79
MOTOROLA V60— US$79
MOTOROLA V60i— US$79
MOTOROLA T720— US$79
MOTOROLA Accompli 008— US$79
MOTOROLA Timeport 280— US$79
MOTOROLA V300[UNLOCK]C/R— US$100
MOTOROLA V400[UNLOCK]C/R— US$115
MTOROLA T720 C/R[CINGULAR]—US$80
MOTOROLA V600—-US$120
SAMSUNG
SAMSUNG SGH-N620— US$59
SAMSUNG SGH-A800— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-A300(UNLOCK)— US$79
SAMSUNG SGH-R210— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-N100(UNLOCK)— US$89
SAMSUNG SGH-N400(UNLOCK)— US$89
SAMSUNG SGH-T100(UNLOCK)— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-A400— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-S100(UNLOCK)— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-A200(UNLOCK)— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-T400— US$89
SAMSUNG SGH-S300(UNLOCK)— US$79
SAMSUNG SGH-A500— US$150
SAMSUNG SGH-T500 Champagne— US$100
SAMSUNG SGH-V200— US$110
SAMSUNG SGH-T200— US$110
SAMSUNG SGH-R225 TRIBAND —US$95
SAMSUNG SGH-S307 850/1900—US$110
SAMSUNG S105[USED]TRIMODE—US$50
SAMSUNG V205[USED]TRIMODE—US$65
ALCATEL
ALCATEL One Touch 501— US$50
ALCATEL One Touch 311— US$45
ALCATEL One Touch 701— US$55
ALCATEL One Touch 511— US$65
ALCATEL OT525— US$45
ALCATEL One Touch 512— US$9
ALCATEL One Touch 715— US$69
AUDIOVOX 8000 F/R US$65
AUDIOVOX 8100 F/R US$69
PANASONIC
PANASONIC GD35— US$39
PANASONIC GD52(UNLOCK)— US$49
PANASONIC GD67(UNLOCK)— US$49
PANASONIC GD92(UNLOCK)— US$69
PANASONIC GD90(UNLOCK)— US$69
PANASONIC GD93(UNLOCK)— US$69
PANASONIC GD75(UNLOCK)— US$79
PANASONIC GD55(UNLOCK)— US$79
PANASONIC GD95(UNLOCK)— US$79
PANASONIC GD87(UNLOCK)— US$80
PANASONIC GU-87 TRIBAND-US$100
PANASONIC G-51 TRIBAND-US$130
PANASONIC 210/310/320 REFUR-US$25

Apple 20 GB iPod Nano……$60.00USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……$70.00USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo……$80.00USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….$70.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……$100.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo …..$55.00USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A…….$95.00USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……$50.00USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….$70.00USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano…..$90.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe….$150.00USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……$110.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe….$150.00USD

KYOCERA 2235 (NEW) $85.00
KYOCERA 2135 (NEW) $65.00
KYOCERA 3035 (NEW) $65.00
KYOCERA 2035 (NEW) $75.00
KYOCERA 2255 (NEW) $65.00
KYOCERA 1135 (NEW) $65.00
KYOCERA 2035 [R/B] $55
STARTAC 7868 [F/R] us$65
VOLCON V-8160 [F/R] US$90
NEXTEL
i60c — 50UDS
i90c — 95USD
i95cl — 130USD
i30sx — 55USD
i88s — 70USD
i35s — 30USD
i58sr —75USD
i2000 — 60USD
i830—120USD
i860—130USD
i930—150USD
NEXTEL i930 AT JUST $110usd,
NEXTEL i860 AT JUST $100usd,
SONY ERICSSON W800i AT JUST $140usd
SONY ERICSSON W900i AT JUST $220usd
SONY ERICSSON S700i AT JUST $125usd
MOTOROLA MPX 220 AT JUST $120usd,
MOTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST $160usd,
MOTOROLA V661 AT JUST $145USD
NOKIA 9500 AT JUST $195usd,
NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION— US$120,
NOKIA 9300 AT JUST $160usd,
Nokia N70 At JUST $140usd
NOKIA N80 AT JUST $180usd
NOKIA N90 AT JUST $200usd
NOKIA N91 AT JUST $220usd
NOKIA N92 AT JUST $245usd
SAMSUNG D500 AT JUST $160usd,
SAMSUNG D415 AT JUST $120usd
SIDEKICK II AT JUST $100usd,
SAGEM PRODUCT
MY S-7 $160
MY X7 $130
MY X 8 $150
MYC5-2 $120,
NEXTEL 1930 JUST FOR…$120USD
NEXTEL i870at JUST FOR ..$140usd
NEXTEL i450 JUST FOR ..90usd
NEXTEL 1860 JUST FOR ..$110USD
SAMSUNG SCH i830 JUST FOR …$220USD
SAMSUNG MM-1940 JUST FOR ..$190USD
SAMSUNG SGH D307JUST FOR..$180USD
SAMSUNG SGH D720 JUST FOR …$170USD
SAMSUNG D500 JUST FOR ..$160USD
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR..$160USD BLACK COLOR,
MPX 300 JUST FOR .$180USD
SIDEKICK 2 JUST FOR ..$120USD
Send ur email at mineelectronics@hotmail.com
Thanks
MINE ELECTRONICS
Registered No. LP002382
155 HIGH STREET, HARLESDEN, LONDON

jimmy smart 17 May 06

We are legit company from uk wehave all brands of Mobile
Phones,Ipods,xbox
360, Sidekicks,Nextels phone,Laptops for sell at cheap and
affordable prices, they ranges from Nokia/Samsung/LG/Sony
Ericsson/Motorola/Alcatel/panasonic With Bluetooth, all
Brands and Models of Nextel Phones, we want you to get back
to us with your quote so that we can begin a good business
relationship. Note they are all Brand New T2 Euro specs,
unlocked, no operator logo, come in their
original sealed box, With 1 year international warranty
from the manufacturer, English & Spanish manual, Finland
made.
We want to assure you that you will never regret buying
from us because the delivery will be to your doorstep via
FedEx Courier service.And the Tracking number shall be sent
to you upon acknowledgement of your payment.
Kindly acknowledge the reciept of our mail and get back to
us at mineelectronics@hotmail.com
SONY VAIO A217S— 100GB— 512MB RAM— XP HOME——————-$300
SONY VAIO B1VP— 40GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP PRO———————$330
SONY VAIO T370P/L— 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP————————$200
SONY VAIO A215Z 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP—————————$2450
SONY VAIO A397XP— 80GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP————————$300
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$250
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$400
SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$350
SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP———————-$350
SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP————————-$450
SONY VAIO B1VP— 40GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP PRO——————-$200
SONY VAIO T370P/L— 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP PRO—————$400
SONY VAIO LAPTOP— VGN-A117S———————-$300
Toshiba Tecra 8200 (laptop)
850MHz Notebook with WiFi for onfiltered== $300
Dell Latitude C400 (laptop)
Ultra Lightweight 866MHz for onfiltered===$390
ThinkPad T42 2373 - Pentium M 735 1.7 GHz -(laptop)
RAM 512 MB - HD 40 GB - CD ===$590
ABS Mayhem G3 notebook Athlon (laptop)
64 3200+ 512MB 60GB/7200 CDRW/DVD 15.4’
Windows XP Home ====$800
AVERATEC 3150P - Athlon XP-M 1.33 (laptop)
GHz - 12.1” TFT===$500
Toshiba Tecra M4-S435 (laptop)==$1350
Acer TravelMate C314XMi Tablet PC ==$1300
Dell Inspiron 700m ===$1020
Dell Inspiron 700M for Home (Pentium M 1.70GHz, 512MB, 40GB)== $1100
Dell Inspiron 2200 for Home (Celeron 1.50GHz, 256MB, 40GB)== $1000
Alienware Area-51 5300 - P4 530J 3 GHz ===$590
Alienware DHS 5 (Athlon 64 1.8 GHz) ===$1590
Alienware Aurora ALX SLI ==== $4,100
So send us an email mineelectronics@hotmail.com
ipods
Archos price drop! G mini 402**** 230usd
Archos technology 500669 gminixs 200-mp3 player/recorder*160usd
Archos av 700 - 40gb mobile digital video recorder*** 320usd
Apple 512 mb ipod shuffle mp3**** player
New apple 60 GB video ipod****100USD
New apple 30 GB video ipod****140USD
play station 1……… $120
play station 2 ….$130
play station 3…..$150
x_box 360………$200
GARMIN 396……..$150
Here are thePrice list for different products;
NOKIA 7380 and 7280(unlock) $150 and $143
NOKIA 3230(UNLOCK)—US$120
NOKIA 3310(UNLOCK)— US$35
NOKIA 3330(UNLOCK)— US$70
NOKIA 3360(UNLOCK)—US$75
NOKIA 3410(UNLOCK)— US$59
NOKIA 3510(UNLOCK)— US$69
NOKIA 3510i(UNLOCK)— US$89
NOKIA 3530(UNLOCK)— US$150
NOKIA 3560 AT$T —US$100
NOKIA 3650 TIRBAND —US$140
NOKIA 5100(UNLOCK)— US$110
NOKIA 5125(UNLOCK)—US$55
NOKIA 5165(UNLOCK)—US$55
NOKIA 5210(UNLOCK)— US$130
NOKIA 5510(UNLOCK)— US$110
NOKIA 6090(UNLOCK)— US$150
NOKIA 6100(UNLOCK)— US$100
NOKIA 6600(UNLOCK)— US$200
NOKIA 6210(UNLOCK)— US$80
NOKIA 6230i(unlock)—US$160
NOKIA 6250(UNLOCK)— US$110
NOKIA 6500(CR)UNLOCK—US$90
NOKIA 6510(UNLOC)— US$125
NOKIA 6590[C/R]UNLOCK—US$75
NOKIA 6310(UNLOCK)— US$110
NOKIA 6310i(UNLOCK)— US$100
NOKIA 6610(UNLOCK)— US$100
NOKIA 6800(UNLOCK)— US$110
NOKIA 7110(UNLOCK)— US$100
NOKIA 7210 Turquoise(UNLOCK)— US$120
NOKIA 7250(UNLOCK)— US$160
NOKIA 7260(UNLOCK)— US$180
NOKIA 7650(UNLOCK)— US$120
NOKIA 7270(UNLOCK)— US$220
NOKIA 7280(UNLOCK)— US$250
NOKIA 8310(UNLOCK)— US$100
NOKIA 8390 1900 MHZ —US$95
NOKIA 7600(UNLOCK)—US$170
NOKIA 8910 Titanium— US$100
NOKIA 8850 SPECIAL EDITION— US$105
NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION— US$100
NOKIA 8910 Black— US$110
NOKIA 9210 Communicator— US$110
NOKIA 9210i Communicator— US$110
NOKIA 8910i— US$150
SONY ERICSSON
SONY ERICSSON T200(UNLOCK)— US$49
SONY ERICSSON T100(UNLOCK)— US$39
SONY ERICSSON R600(UNLOCK)— US$59
SONY ERICSSON T20e(UNLOCK)— US$59
SONY CMD-J70(UNLOCK)— US$59
SONY ERICSSON T20s(UNLOCK)— US$69
SONY ERICSSON T28s(UNLOCK)— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T28 World— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T29s— US$100
SONY ERICSSON T600— US$100
SONY CMD-J7— US$100
SONY CMD-J6— US$100
SONY ERICSSON T300(UNLOCK)— US$100
SONY ERICSSON T306 850/1900 —US$75
SONY ERICSSON T68i TIRBAND — US$95
SONY ERICSSON T65— US$100
SONY CMD-J5— US$69
SONY CMD-Z7— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T310(UNLOCK)— US$69
SONY ERICSSON T39m(UNLOCK)— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T66(UNLOCK)— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T616 850/1900 —US$180
SONY ERICSSON R520m(UNLOCK)— US$89
SONY CMD-Z5— US$89
SONY ERICSSON R380 World— US$89
SONY ERICSSON R380s— US$69
SONY ERICSSON T68m— US$79
SONY ERICSSON T610— US$109
SONY CMD-MZ5— US$139
SONY ERICSSON P800(UNLOCK)— US$180
SONY ERICSSON P900(UNLOCK)—-US$200
SONY ERICSSON P980i(UNLOCK)—-US$200
SONYERICSSON P990 JUST FOR …$210USD
MOTOROLA
MOTOROLA Talkabout 191— US$19
MOTOROLA C330— US$59
MOTOROLA C331[UNLOCK]FACT RB US$35
MOTOROLA C332[UNLOCK]FACT RB US$35
MOTOROLA V66— US$69
MOTOROLA v66i— US$79
MOTOROLA Talkabout192— US$59
MOTOROLA V51— US$79
MOTOROLA V50— US$79
MOTOROLA V70— US$79
MOTOROLA V60— US$79
MOTOROLA V60i— US$79
MOTOROLA T720— US$79
MOTOROLA Accompli 008— US$79
MOTOROLA Timeport 280— US$79
MOTOROLA V300[UNLOCK]C/R— US$100
MOTOROLA V400[UNLOCK]C/R— US$115
MTOROLA T720 C/R[CINGULAR]—US$80
MOTOROLA V600—-US$120
SAMSUNG
SAMSUNG SGH-N620— US$59
SAMSUNG SGH-A800— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-A300(UNLOCK)— US$79
SAMSUNG SGH-R210— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-N100(UNLOCK)— US$89
SAMSUNG SGH-N400(UNLOCK)— US$89
SAMSUNG SGH-T100(UNLOCK)— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-A400— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-S100(UNLOCK)— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-A200(UNLOCK)— US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-T400— US$89
SAMSUNG SGH-S300(UNLOCK)— US$79
SAMSUNG SGH-A500— US$150
SAMSUNG SGH-T500 Champagne— US$100
SAMSUNG SGH-V200— US$110
SAMSUNG SGH-T200— US$110
SAMSUNG SGH-R225 TRIBAND —US$95
SAMSUNG SGH-S307 850/1900—US$110
SAMSUNG S105[USED]TRIMODE—US$50
SAMSUNG V205[USED]TRIMODE—US$65
ALCATEL
ALCATEL One Touch 501— US$50
ALCATEL One Touch 311— US$45
ALCATEL One Touch 701— US$55
ALCATEL One Touch 511— US$65
ALCATEL OT525— US$45
ALCATEL One Touch 512— US$9
ALCATEL One Touch 715— US$69
AUDIOVOX 8000 F/R US$65
AUDIOVOX 8100 F/R US$69
PANASONIC
PANASONIC GD35— US$39
PANASONIC GD52(UNLOCK)— US$49
PANASONIC GD67(UNLOCK)— US$49
PANASONIC GD92(UNLOCK)— US$69
PANASONIC GD90(UNLOCK)— US$69
PANASONIC GD93(UNLOCK)— US$69
PANASONIC GD75(UNLOCK)— US$79
PANASONIC GD55(UNLOCK)— US$79
PANASONIC GD95(UNLOCK)— US$79
PANASONIC GD87(UNLOCK)— US$80
PANASONIC GU-87 TRIBAND-US$100
PANASONIC G-51 TRIBAND-US$130
PANASONIC 210/310/320 REFUR-US$25

Apple 20 GB iPod Nano……$60.00USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……$70.00USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo……$80.00USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….$70.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……$100.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo …..$55.00USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A…….$95.00USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……$50.00USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….$70.00USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano…..$90.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe….$150.00USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……$110.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe….$150.00USD

KYOCERA 2235 (NEW) $85.00
KYOCERA 2135 (NEW) $65.00
KYOCERA 3035 (NEW) $65.00
KYOCERA 2035 (NEW) $75.00
KYOCERA 2255 (NEW) $65.00
KYOCERA 1135 (NEW) $65.00
KYOCERA 2035 [R/B] $55
STARTAC 7868 [F/R] us$65
VOLCON V-8160 [F/R] US$90
NEXTEL
i60c — 50UDS
i90c — 95USD
i95cl — 130USD
i30sx — 55USD
i88s — 70USD
i35s — 30USD
i58sr —75USD
i2000 — 60USD
i830—120USD
i860—130USD
i930—150USD
NEXTEL i930 AT JUST $110usd,
NEXTEL i860 AT JUST $100usd,
SONY ERICSSON W800i AT JUST $140usd
SONY ERICSSON W900i AT JUST $220usd
SONY ERICSSON S700i AT JUST $125usd
MOTOROLA MPX 220 AT JUST $120usd,
MOTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST $160usd,
MOTOROLA V661 AT JUST $145USD
NOKIA 9500 AT JUST $195usd,
NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION— US$120,
NOKIA 9300 AT JUST $160usd,
Nokia N70 At JUST $140usd
NOKIA N80 AT JUST $180usd
NOKIA N90 AT JUST $200usd
NOKIA N91 AT JUST $220usd
NOKIA N92 AT JUST $245usd
SAMSUNG D500 AT JUST $160usd,
SAMSUNG D415 AT JUST $120usd
SIDEKICK II AT JUST $100usd,
SAGEM PRODUCT
MY S-7 $160
MY X7 $130
MY X 8 $150
MYC5-2 $120,
NEXTEL 1930 JUST FOR…$120USD
NEXTEL i870at JUST FOR ..$140usd
NEXTEL i450 JUST FOR ..90usd
NEXTEL 1860 JUST FOR ..$110USD
SAMSUNG SCH i830 JUST FOR …$220USD
SAMSUNG MM-1940 JUST FOR ..$190USD
SAMSUNG SGH D307JUST FOR..$180USD
SAMSUNG SGH D720 JUST FOR …$170USD
SAMSUNG D500 JUST FOR ..$160USD
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR..$160USD BLACK COLOR,
MPX 300 JUST FOR .$180USD
SIDEKICK 2 JUST FOR ..$120USD
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