Well, they don’t tell you nothing. If you’re a professional chef like him, he’s probably right. If you’re a dope like me who can never remember how much sugar is supposed to go into French toast, well, then recipes have considerable value.
scotts06 May 09
Mike Hickerson is exactly right. If you’re just trying to get by - which is fine in a subject you don’t intend to master - recipes are fine.
Frep06 May 09
Even if you ARE a professional chef like him you use recipes. Sure, you may have memorized or internalized them a long time ago, but you still need them. You know roughly how many eggs to use to make one loaf of french toast. You aren’t going to change that up by changing your technique.
Your technique sets you apart from every other chef, but it doesn’t mean you can ignore recipes.
Recipes can also help one hone the ability to understand flavor/ingredient combinations, proportions, cooking styles, etc. that would allow them to adapt or develop their own recipes. My wife and I will often do this based on personal preferences, availability of ingredients, just to experiment…
Yeah, overgeneralized quotes like this are as irrelevant as they are accurate. I get the point he’s trying to make, but he didn’t make it well. Learning techniques is the key to all things. But saying recipes tell you nothing is just cocky or not very thoughtful. A recipe tells you a lot, in cooking and in our industry, whether that means you’re reading one in a cookbook or watching the chef in the same room. You can learn a lot from another chef’s recipe. But you still need the basic techniques to pull it off or synthesize it with your own.
I see his point. I often wander into the kitchen and cook without a recipe. Find what’s available and rely on technique and tasting the food as you go and make something wonderful.
Of course his quote is hyperbole; that’s why it reaches you.
Happy06 May 09
As to methods there may be a million and then some, but principles are few. The man who grasps principles can successfully select his own methods. The man who tries methods, ignoring principles, is sure to have trouble. – Ralph Waldo Emerson
It’s a false dichotomy. Recipes — and here I’m thinking of Rails recipes — can be the ideal vehicle for illustrating and teaching techniques.
Ivan07 May 09
I am currently reading and putting into practice Michael Ruhlman’s book “Ratio”. Its premises is that it won’t just help you make dinner but understand it. It is quite astounding.
I am going to try the book you recommended here as well.
Recipes are food tutorials. We all started out by following tutorials. Then you learn how to do something, and don’t need to follow step-by-step instructions anymore.
What Colicchio’s quote doesn’t acknowledge is that for most people, following recipes serves as the path to learn technique…
GeeIWonder07 May 09
What Colicchio’s quote doesn’t acknowledge is that for most people, following recipes serves as the path to learn technique…
That’s funny, because I think what he’s saying (which I agree with, and have oft been heard repeating) is precisely the opposite. I take your point, but I think you’re being a little too literal.
Recipes are NOT the path.
Markus Krisetya07 May 09
To be fair, the rather vague question Mr. Colicchio was responding to was “Most used-cookbook.” So in a sense he making a comment if he had one cookbook what it would be.
Its like asking “Most used-programming book” and responding “The Pragmatic Programmer.”
Dex07 May 09
Learning techniques is the key.
I suggest Tom learn about ethics and not cheat people.
I reckon recipes tell you what ingredients to put in a dish. The most general recipe would be “make me some food” which could result in any number of results. A more specific recipe might be “make me a steak”.
If you’re a skilled chef and I tell you to make me a steak, I’ll probably be pretty happy with the results. If your a shitty chef and I tell you to make me a steak I’ll probably end up ordering a pizza.
What is this quote? It’s meaningless. This guy’s a chef. Who quotes chefs?!
Well, I heart Tom Colicchio (it’s a teddy bear thing) and I wish there was always time to learn technique and theory instead of scraping javascript off of the web forum and pasting it into your site and hoping it works—um, I mean following the recipe to the letter. But there isn’t. Yeah, I’m definitely going to try to get more technique into my life …
I agree with Sean and Steven. Saying it’s all about technique rather than recipes is like saying that playing music is all about scales and not about compositions. The French love pithy provocative quotes like this, but I don’t think it’s very responsible or honest.
This discussion is closed.
About Matt Linderman
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Quoted by Matt Linderman on May 6 2009. There are 18 comments.
Gary Haran 06 May 09
The book he’s talking about is “Jacques Pepin’s Complete Techniques” or the French original ASIN : B000HF7740
Mike Hickerson 06 May 09
Well, they don’t tell you nothing. If you’re a professional chef like him, he’s probably right. If you’re a dope like me who can never remember how much sugar is supposed to go into French toast, well, then recipes have considerable value.
scotts 06 May 09
Mike Hickerson is exactly right. If you’re just trying to get by - which is fine in a subject you don’t intend to master - recipes are fine.
Frep 06 May 09
Even if you ARE a professional chef like him you use recipes. Sure, you may have memorized or internalized them a long time ago, but you still need them. You know roughly how many eggs to use to make one loaf of french toast. You aren’t going to change that up by changing your technique.
Your technique sets you apart from every other chef, but it doesn’t mean you can ignore recipes.
Benjy 06 May 09
Recipes can also help one hone the ability to understand flavor/ingredient combinations, proportions, cooking styles, etc. that would allow them to adapt or develop their own recipes. My wife and I will often do this based on personal preferences, availability of ingredients, just to experiment…
Sean 06 May 09
Yeah, overgeneralized quotes like this are as irrelevant as they are accurate. I get the point he’s trying to make, but he didn’t make it well. Learning techniques is the key to all things. But saying recipes tell you nothing is just cocky or not very thoughtful. A recipe tells you a lot, in cooking and in our industry, whether that means you’re reading one in a cookbook or watching the chef in the same room. You can learn a lot from another chef’s recipe. But you still need the basic techniques to pull it off or synthesize it with your own.
Don Schenck 06 May 09
I see his point. I often wander into the kitchen and cook without a recipe. Find what’s available and rely on technique and tasting the food as you go and make something wonderful.
Of course his quote is hyperbole; that’s why it reaches you.
Happy 06 May 09
As to methods there may be a million and then some, but principles are few. The man who grasps principles can successfully select his own methods. The man who tries methods, ignoring principles, is sure to have trouble. – Ralph Waldo Emerson
Dustin Brewer 06 May 09
It’s all a matter of taste.
Steven Noble 06 May 09
It’s a false dichotomy. Recipes — and here I’m thinking of Rails recipes — can be the ideal vehicle for illustrating and teaching techniques.
Ivan 07 May 09
I am currently reading and putting into practice Michael Ruhlman’s book “Ratio”. Its premises is that it won’t just help you make dinner but understand it. It is quite astounding.
I am going to try the book you recommended here as well.
Mark C. Webster 07 May 09
Recipes are food tutorials. We all started out by following tutorials. Then you learn how to do something, and don’t need to follow step-by-step instructions anymore.
What Colicchio’s quote doesn’t acknowledge is that for most people, following recipes serves as the path to learn technique…
GeeIWonder 07 May 09
What Colicchio’s quote doesn’t acknowledge is that for most people, following recipes serves as the path to learn technique…
That’s funny, because I think what he’s saying (which I agree with, and have oft been heard repeating) is precisely the opposite. I take your point, but I think you’re being a little too literal.
Recipes are NOT the path.
Markus Krisetya 07 May 09
To be fair, the rather vague question Mr. Colicchio was responding to was “Most used-cookbook.” So in a sense he making a comment if he had one cookbook what it would be.
Its like asking “Most used-programming book” and responding “The Pragmatic Programmer.”
Dex 07 May 09
Learning techniques is the key.
I suggest Tom learn about ethics and not cheat people.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/12/12/2008-12-12_top_chef_or_top_scrooge_craftbars_tom_co.html
Iain Dooley 08 May 09
I reckon recipes tell you what ingredients to put in a dish. The most general recipe would be “make me some food” which could result in any number of results. A more specific recipe might be “make me a steak”.
If you’re a skilled chef and I tell you to make me a steak, I’ll probably be pretty happy with the results. If your a shitty chef and I tell you to make me a steak I’ll probably end up ordering a pizza.
What is this quote? It’s meaningless. This guy’s a chef. Who quotes chefs?!
Lauren 08 May 09
Well, I heart Tom Colicchio (it’s a teddy bear thing) and I wish there was always time to learn technique and theory instead of scraping javascript off of the web forum and pasting it into your site and hoping it works—um, I mean following the recipe to the letter. But there isn’t. Yeah, I’m definitely going to try to get more technique into my life …
marc 11 May 09
I agree with Sean and Steven. Saying it’s all about technique rather than recipes is like saying that playing music is all about scales and not about compositions. The French love pithy provocative quotes like this, but I don’t think it’s very responsible or honest.
This discussion is closed.