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Haha awesome!

humor@37signals

So, I just posted a screenshot from your campfire to my campfire. That was fun.

Excellent ^

Is that what that yellow banner on top of the article is about? ^

“Jobs: TeamSnap is looking for a Senior Systems Engineer/Programmer. See more on the Job Board.”

Estimates are guesses.

http://bit.ly/12Z9dN

Hilarious!

90% of all estimates are made up…

Something makes me think Jason was not kidding in the conversation.

Is this the Dilbert Daily Strip blog or I’ve got on the wrong website?

@Greg Laws, correction Estimates are educated guesses, to be used as a baseline. They are not gospel and should never be treated as such. And if the person you get an estimate from can’t provide an educated guess then don’t get them to estimate. Or make sure you are talking to people like Mark, who can tell you when an educated guess isn’t possible.

lol nice! You guys should really go into comedy. You’re freakin hilarious.

I can tell if this is an attempt at comedy or a post runamock. If comedy I don’t get it.

@JF: No. There, I did it too.

@jason. Who do I send the resume to? ;-) :P

I’m loving the quote: “I can make something up if you prefer”... Also has Mark been reading Rework?

Now THAT is some funny stuff!!! Jason: “No one says no to me”.... hahaha, priceless.

@Danny Estimating a performance increase is a guess in the same way planning is guessing. It’s something we can do, but we shouldn’t sweat over doing it. Jason made the point about planning in this post.

The conversation Jason and Mark had was totally funny. But, I think Mark’s answers were spot on. He knew that spending a bunch of time estimating the benefits of his work wasn’t worth it. That it would just be a guess. And in the end he didn’t sweat it. If they really want to know the outcome they will know after real metrics have been gathered.

“No one says no to me” Well, they do. :-))) Welcome to the world of autonomous systems we call humans.

Jason sounds like a real prick. 37signals comes off as so pretentious and arrogant. I used to think creative and smart.

@jd: WHOOSH

@jd – i guess not everyone is able to pick up on sarcasm.

@anonymous + @anon – sorry fanboys, it’s not just this, it’s everything about the 37s attitude. Like, “We wrote a book about how our way of doing business is so awesome and everyone else sucks.” “We think developing for the iphone is stupid because it’s not universal, but now we have an iphone app…” on and on… I’m just sick of these guys, and the software’s not even that great.

i like the 37s attitude… you should sell a t-shirt with that says:

“No, but I can make something up if you prefer :)” Customer Service @ 37signals

I liked the book, too. It’s made me realize important stuff about day-to-day activities…and for the record, the software IS great… it really is

@jd

Someone is jealous.

Seriously, people who troll this blog are the worst. No one cares what you have to say jd. At all. Unsubscribe and don’t post here again if you don’t like the content. Go do something useful with your life. 37signals isn’t ever going to change based on your pathetic comments, nor should it. That goes for all you trolls.

Rock on 37s. Funny stuff. I especially like the second and third comments to this post.

@Adam – could you please stop trolling my comments. I’d really like only people that agree with me to respond. I promise to be more useful in the future and just Woo Hoo! 37S forever!

@jd

Hahahahaha I guess I am being a little hypocritical.

How much faster was it?